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Re: Canadian Place Names -- Discussion
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2023 2:04 am
by Michael
Hi Randi,
I don't know what was in this post, but my Avast Anti-virus came up with a warning. Your post, to me, is empty.
Re: Canadian Place Names -- Discussion
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:59 am
by Matteo
Thanks Michael, since we have some dates now, i'll drop a note for both the places once i update the reference thread.
Removed previous remarks as the posts have been removed
Re: Canadian Place Names -- Discussion
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2023 2:34 pm
by Randi
I deleted my post just to be on the safe side.
Re: Canadian Place Names -- Discussion
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2023 4:11 pm
by Michael
Mine, too, just to save room...
Re: Canadian Place Names -- Discussion
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:17 am
by studentforever
There is a beacon on Camp Point, British Columbia described in the 1930 pilot on p384
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=W-A ... ia&f=false
The Point is on the database at
http://www.geonames.org/5914513/camp-point.html
Pioneer references the beacon (somewhat illegibly so need the Hi-res image )
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/247055005?objectPage=78
Re: Canadian Place Names -- Discussion
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:43 am
by Matteo
It's still active nowadays:
https://fishing-app.gpsnauticalcharts.c ... -125.82725
And it's practically on the point. On google it's totally covered by trees, but it's indistinctly visible (you need to know there's a beacon there!) on bing satellite imagery (
https://www.bing.com/maps?cp=50.384251% ... .3&style=a).
I've just added it to the db, thanks studentforever!
Re: Canadian Place Names -- Discussion
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2023 3:34 pm
by studentforever
There is also a lighthouse on the northern point of Genn Island, British Columbia
https://www.geonames.org/9609660/genn-island-light.html
Re: Canadian Place Names -- Discussion
Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2023 3:12 pm
by Matteo
Just added to db, thanks!
Re: Canadian Place Names -- Discussion
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:37 am
by studentforever
OK Pioneer has crossed the border but she's at it again = this time it's a light vessel!! Getting light vessel sites in British Columbia is more than challenging = information on the ships but sites. She just passed Pachena Point Lighthouse and she cites a light vessel but I can't find it. I wondered if it might mark the Darling River but Google was very uncooperative and wouldn't cough up meaningful results. It's somewhere between Pachena Point and Sherringham Point but where?
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/247055502?objectPage=3
Re: Canadian Place Names -- Discussion
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 2:31 pm
by Matteo
British Columbia maps and places can be a little more complicated to find (no topoview or noaa), but Pioneer is fortunately pretty close the border and in a quite well known area.
Also they are keeping good record of course and patent log changes and so we know they were 5.8 miles abeam Pachena Light at 11.08, and that they first saw the light vessel at 11.43... it's sufficient info to draw their course and be pretty confident on where they are when they see the light vessel.
The lightship is most surely the Swiftsure Light Vessel, right in front of the entrance of Juan de Fuca Strait, which was active 1909-1961.
In 1925 the ship serving as light vessel should be the LV-93 (
http://www.uscglightshipsailors.org/swi ... istory.htm).
Despite the underwater bank being closer to Canada than the States, the ship was an US Lighthouse Service vessel (and later an US Coast Guard one).
Edit: I've recalculated and included the 12:09 position... it's definitely abeam, even if a little short in comparison with the 2.2 miles stated in log (not too much, maybe 0.2/0.3 miles).
We already have it on db and it's on
geonames, position 48.54317, -125.00068
Re: Canadian Place Names -- Discussion
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 4:29 pm
by studentforever
Talk about service!! The absence of data from Google is also now explicable - I was looking for a Canadian light vessel!! (the last couple of sightings were Canadian after all)
Thanks again
Re: Canadian Place Names -- Discussion
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:12 pm
by Matteo
They must have been hurrying to return home
it's the first time i see a light vessel mentioned without its name!
There was just that one in the area so it's hard to make mistakes (the Umatilla Reef one is far to the south and its not encountered when going to Seattle) but I've always found the name written down in the logs
Re: Canadian Place Names -- Discussion
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 8:19 am
by studentforever
There is a light on Walker Island (Camp Island) in Lama Passage
https://waves-vagues.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/libr ... 115910.pdf
The reference is on page 1-25, since there seems no way of locating that page via a designated page in the weblink.
Re: Canadian Place Names -- Discussion
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 10:49 am
by Matteo
Yeah it's always an issue linking things inside pdfs, the page number is sufficient
I've just added Walker Island Light with alternate name Camp Island Light to the database (and slightly moved island position as it was a little off place), thanks!
Re: Canadian Place Names -- Discussion
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 6:36 am
by studentforever
Pioneer also references Kynumpt Harbor Gas Buoy, well I haven't located the gas buoy but the harbour is at Lat 52.21, Long -128.17
https://www.geonames.org/5994714/kynumpt-harbour.html
Later on she references Idol Point Light. Well Idol Point is referenced below
https://www.geonames.org/5979321/idol-point.html
but no lighthouse although it does appear in lists of lights where only the index is on line!!
e.g.
https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/ ... +british+t
She also references somewhere on Lowe Inlet.The only reference to Lowe inlet which seems helpful is a stub on Wikipedia. However there are some useful sources in one of the links.
https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.p ... e:landmark
Another landmark I can't find is Lawson Light. The nearest reference I have found is a Lawson Harbour. The only link giving a location I have found is this one
https://www.canmaps.com/topo/places/j/jcktl.htm
Re: Canadian Place Names -- Discussion
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 1:44 pm
by Michael
There is a light on the northern part of Herbert Reefs, perhaps they are calling it Lawson Light. 54.02351, -130.23861 You can see it on Google Earth.
The fishing app shows what may be your gas buoy
here: 52.2139, -128.1575
And, the
fishing app shows a light on Idol Point. It's hard to see on with Google Earth.
Re: Canadian Place Names -- Discussion
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 7:16 am
by Matteo
I've added all to the database. Thanks!
Agree with Michael both for Lawson Light being current Herbert Reefs Light and for the gas buoy... there's another candidate north of the shoals, but BC is always a pain for historical maps, so i'd go for the most probable one being our best guess.
For Idol Point
Bing satellite imagery is not much better defined than
Google one, but in both a thin white pole pointing to northwest and casting a shadow can be seen immediately north of the trees and west of promontory center... that's the light.
Re: Canadian Place Names -- Discussion
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 2:10 pm
by studentforever
I think Geonames should give you a medal, the number of obscure sites you have located and added to their database. Thanks.
Re: Canadian Place Names -- Discussion
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2024 9:38 am
by Matteo
You're too kind
Don't think there's something as a medal, but I'm a level3 editor if that distinction still exist, which means i can move pretty everything around (most important places, and sensible ones, were locked from edits by newbies and lower level users)
Re: Canadian Place Names -- Discussion
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2024 1:25 pm
by Michael